PEER DISCUSSION: BRAXTON HAUGEN
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A Patreon-exclusive peer discussion with Braxton Haugen. The peer discussion series treats the audience as collaborators rather than consumers, reflecting the channel's philosophy of mutual investment. A patron gets the floor.
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all right so i guess tell everybody who you are rambler gambler long ways from home
my name is braxton haugen and i've been brought out here as reinforcements for the operation well said i was gonna say that you're
the brains behind team zizu but uh yeah well said uh
braxton sent me a couple of a postcard and a like a letter that was well written i think that's what sealed the
deal no it was a well-written letter i was like oh this guy could write it was hand typed i was like oh he didn't fake it and then
you had like a link oh no there was a letter and an email which was a copy of the letter
and uh so that i could just click an email i i click a link to your youtube page and
then i watched um about the author which is is that 20 minutes uh 13. 13
minutes which is a little like i want to say autobiography but just like i never i don't know what the difference
between autobiography and memoir is but it's just like a chunk of your life like like this piece it's not the whole story
my working life okay yeah yeah your working life and i was just i watched it and i just
thought oh this guy understands he he understa he gets it because it was so sophisticated and you're so young how
old are you 21 21 i mean i didn't i got my first camera at 25 my first computer at 25 so
and then it turned out you had been working like you had been a professional for 10 years yeah
over that over that now yeah 2011 i think was the first time i got paid to edit something
and there had been stuff on camera before then but where i was editing shooting putting together the whole piece
nuts and bolts yeah you lied on the contract right about my age for that first five years
[Laughter] oh my god that is so and that also and to me that works in your favor it's like um herzog says like one of he names like
three things you need to be able to do in order to be a filmmaker and one of them is document forgery which i just did today actually
but i don't want to give away anything so i'm not going to show it on camera but it's like casey's birthday i'll tell you about it it's a funny it's like a
cool prank that will unfold after casey and i are both dead probably it'll like it'll do something
it's like a fun prank but um yeah the i mean check out braxton's channel
because you'll see oh okay this guy is this from scratch filmmaker which is very rare and also
you said this incredible thing which this is from i'm bragging right now because i was so flattered by this you were like
you're like i'm offering these services i'll help this xyz and and then you said there are only three other artists that i would offer
this that i would make this offer to and it was bob dylan patty smith and nick cave and i was it's
like that's a good note like if you're gonna try to get in the door just feel like no you're referencing it
like whether those kids full of [ __ ] or not you can't fake the movie though you can't fake the real the right you know because it was i mean it's a touching
cool cool thing um all right so the the idea with this is that we're just gonna have kind of like
a idea session for the future of the channel and like one of the things we've been talking about one of the things i'm starting to
discover and love is that the patrons are a member of the team and they're sort of like a free
advisory board no they're an advisory board who pays us or who supports the team they're like patrons they're like art
patrons because art patrons make suggestions to the artist hey why don't you do a painting of blah blah blah and then they do it
um so i i feel like it's it's a cool space to talk about like kind of inside stuff
that will exist on youtube and then it will you know um patreon will feed the youtube and then
eventually i think as the patreon gains leverage over the youtube as far as like financially i think that more and more
attention will be going towards the patreon patreon that's my that's how i'm thinking of this but right now the youtube because it has
so much of a reach as far as numbers is our platform to put the big projects on
in the hopes of drawing folks into the into the patreon exactly so i mean some of your strategies like
before you even came down you said uh to do shorts and i was so opposed to it just because of the vertical camera
thing and i had made the vertical camera video and i remember casey saying to me you can't win that battle and i was in my mind i was just like
well i can refrain from the battle but like you made such a case because you've worked with colin and samir and
you said that they're they're they're um they're youtube shorts they yeah that's a strategy for a lot of
channels now they're finding that shorts are exposing their material to an audience that's not subscribed to them
or coming to the main videos you know you open the youtube app you see the shorts feed next to the upload so there's this whole new
burst of audience on the platform that's just coming for that or viewing that with no intention of finding the main videos but it's working like a
promotional strategy so you're not making a lot of money offshore it's almost anything really yeah but you're driving new traffic and new viewership
yeah and then those people coming over from the shorts if they like the main channel you're going to bring them on longer term yeah so you kind of have to think
about it as it's a promotional strategy but also a way to get quicker ideas out it's not the same lift as making one of
the essays yeah i'm like nervous that it's something i'm just gonna like i'm like it's like a whole nother it feels like a whole nother like genre
or a paradigm and i'm like ugh am i gonna be even good is it gonna take me a whole bunch of time to make anything that anybody you know still people have
to give a [ __ ] yeah but i don't i think that's where the fixing part of the videos comes in oh okay yeah yeah and it's just you you have a platform where
you can tinker and you're not worried about that interrupting the pace of a more focused written piece like you would in the essay yeah or it you know
this building doesn't have a part to do with this or the uh the q and a it's just straight like yeah yeah because that's part of the appeal and
part of the initial promise of the channel was that your gift was fixing things and if that can have its own sort of
vertical slice not you know part of the button but it has its own vertical that's where you go to see you fix things and then the the
quality of the writing is in the essays yeah and that has the uh the omniscient point of view the third person and then
i think what we've talked about with maybe getting into a podcast or some sort of visual audio hybrid yeah you can sit down and tell stories that's the
first person point of view yeah so you almost have all these little things covered yeah with their own with their own show or
their own series each charging the other there's like i did a bunch of [ __ ] that like every time
i make something and i'm not i don't have you film it i'm just like uh am i supposed to
does this countess work yeah i mean what did i i've built a couple things this week i mean i put a deadbolt in
that's not very interesting um oh i'm gonna build a shelf for sunglasses i don't know if that's very
interesting i'm gonna fix a pair of sunglasses although like one of the things i've discovered that's keeping me from going
insane because i get i get like i get like narcoleptic at around one like at around
now what time yeah it's like almost is it almost two yeah yeah it's almost two um
is to do a little art project and that'll like i just zone out with headphones on and do a little art project and there's always a guilt that
i'm not contributing even though i am even if it doesn't show up on camera it feels like oh i'm not contributing to
to the channel and so what are you thinking for because this is like the deal is supposed to be that we do these peer
discussions and then that we talk and then we sort of render through alchemy yeah what what's gonna
appear on the first friday of the month normally we do it at the beginning of the months we have weeks to work on it but this month got away from us i think maybe because
you came my birthday we had like plumber stuff my kid got sick oh isabelle was out of town the repair shoot was totally different
yeah the repair shoe was on a saturday and it was like yes so there was a whole bunch of little move arounds all everything's
contributing to development though everything is like pushing the you know it's it's like we're popping
rivets into this big structure so but i still like the
the like new yorker in me wants to let's put something out friday even though we put something out monday
and let's keep it going with the you know the deal the patreon deal of we're gonna have these peer discussions and that's what how we're gonna come up
and you said to do shorts i think on this friday if you're racing for an upload we should do just test a short yeah just one short just one short on
friday okay you know not even try the fixing series yet because kind of high level what we were thinking was it would be its own playlist of one minute
repairs and it's just the things that you'd been used to fixing at the repair station or little things around the house what what
have you been fixing consistently for the last 10 years in the same way so it's kind of that style guide almost yeah but i think for maybe this week's
short we should just shoot the motorcycle one yeah because there's this amazing motorcycle company called
revival in austin texas and i think in this this is not a paid advertising this is not a paid advertisement i'm just
talking here and oh this is like the logo that they they sent me this
unbelievable care package and they were like the first people to to the first motorcycle people to dm me and
be like hey do you want a bunch of stuff we'll send it to you we love your channel and isabelle goes through all the dms and
likes hey you should check out these and i checked out their site and it's like there's millions of these um custom motorcycle places and most people
think choppers like west coast choppers you know because they had that tv series you know but custom motorcycles
there's there's all these different classes of motorcycles just like cars or trucks or whatever and this place um
revival they do i went on their site and they do all these builds of everything bmws like every every cool
bike so they sent me like an incredible haul of beautiful things oh and one of the things is this thing called a honey pot
which is a little crucible that you plug in and it's like a soldering iron except it has a little
crucible in it and you fill it full of solder and so you have a pool of solder and then you dip your wires into it and the
wires have the solder already on the on the ends for like butt splicing and so forth um
so maybe that can be but it's just i was thinking like here i had i wrote it oh yeah good do you think we could get one idea out
of this conversation yeah yeah yeah 150 of those questions yeah so it's like a new structure for the for the main essay because this won't be
a fixing one right it's a thank you note right right yes so i'm thinking you grab an air mail envelope yep and it's we recreate the
opening titles of the main spirited man which is the logo down you put the thing down yes so what we're looking at on the air mail is your logo stamped on the
envelope okay and it says the spirited man and what you put down with the tape with the sound effect is just short spirited okay short okay yeah
and then you know it's structured around a thank you no write it out the read will be 30 seconds yep and then we just show all the things
that's fantastic okay that's good that's what we'll do good all right keep them coming because that would be you know that's me
agonizing on monday and tuesday mornings at four from four to seven just tearing my hair out
but um and then we just see what the interest is with the audience because you know shorts are a completely
different beast and so we don't know we don't that won't be a fixing one but it's going to uh but then we're gonna
then we're gonna just go right yeah which is fantastic for me because i hold back from there's so many
that's my default is just to start and i have to really like you know you're not done you're not you
know wait not till after school um which is false thinking yeah i remember sex used to talk about no no no
he'd be like fussing around with something like seemingly worthless in his and he's like no this is what i'm supposed to be doing it's not me
arranging gallery shows and stuff like this it's like the it's we we have it all backwards and so is
that part of your writing process now what fixing things it's like instead of sitting there at the typewriter when something's not coming together are you
allowing yourself the justification is religious yeah yeah um let me think okay so today
i wrote just this by the way this is like a writing day this is how aggressive and productive of
a writer i am this is a writing debt this is like a day's writing and it's just a list of [ __ ] so
um i'm not really it's sort of the relief from the writing
i don't think no i i don't think not really i don't think so i don't think so because i'm really trying to be like okay stay focused
but occasionally you know what you're right no it is
because this morning i finished casey's as soon as the sun came out because it's like a tracing i had to do it on the window i wrote this and then as soon as
it was light out i finished casey singh which is a drawing and then i went back to this and when you came in at 10 i was typing right yep
okay so this was and then i okay so i also wrote this [ __ ] too so this is a day's writing for
me um so i had done yeah i guess you're right i had i had done it but i try to have
the writing almost be um like frank ocean says it was a kind of it's kind of a blackout like i don't
really remember i don't have a recollection it's just there's all this noise in my head that's
it's not noise there's all this signal in my head and i just have to like okay you're not gonna remember that it feels so much like you're gonna remember it you never
did and it's like no you're not gonna remember this david lynch talks about it he's like write it down you're not gonna remember it and he's like in my life i
have forgotten and then he takes a big pause two great ideas like okay
yeah so so yeah i guess i guess it is a little bit a part of it but i have to like i
also have to police myself right just and just get in it but that is that's great news but so this week because we did
something yesterday because we published something yesterday kind of cheated this month because i think it'll be like a three video month
so this week we can cheat and do the shorts on friday but does that mean
we can go until next friday until we we make the rules oh that's true
so that gives me until next friday to do something youtube which maybe will be the experimental
the next friday is the ninth right is the eighth so it'll be the one year anniversary of the launch launch of the um
channel so the objective in all of this yeah that we're testing a new format right or we'll be going to testing yes and i feel like we have a pretty solid beta
version of that with the what it's like to make it movie yep i mean it's a bit more of a heavier lift than i think what
we're thinking about right yeah video podcast but we know there's an interest there we
know that the length is compelling but that's the problem like do we test that episode next week do we start on
the right or is there something that helps bridge the gap which i think probably needs to happen i think there needs to be an
essay that is ushering in what will be a new era for the whole channel does that is
which introduces the podcast as a concept and sets the precedent that the essays are not going to be every friday but are
going to be bigger uh potentially month long projects yeah i think there's room for smaller ones in there i think
there's a couple more tool kit videos yeah worth making yeah the motorcycle one yeah yeah and that you know the house kit one i think there's
but eventually where you're hoping to take it is to give the essays a more of a seasonality
so it will be spirited man era mexico or the americas and maybe the essays are the more travel focused or adventure
focused movies but then we have the podcast that grounds everything it's going to be you in the studio every time yeah with a
compelling single uh standalone story yeah and since we haven't done that on the channel yet we just don't know what that
workflow will look like and then also the cutaways to all of the yeah i mean i mean it's essentially just
well yeah we'll be skipping the writing part and the writing will be more me answering
questions compelling questions that come up from the patrons that are going because they ask such great questions somebody was like what's your packing
philosophy and i kind of want that to be that might even be like that might be the first one
is because there's so many i have so many packing stories and like i have a packing it's like
philosophy and it's something i really love to do i mean i'm not going to go into it now but i could just go off and i think that's
i think one of the reasons why i want to do this like business meeting on patreon is so the patrons
who watch this can be like oh dude oh yeah such and such you know and it'll be like you said this was your idea say
have it be like the live stream you know talking into a camera just going off the cuff but then we have this whole language of
um documentary footage yeah it's an invaluable arc of of archive footage that so much of it
i mean none of it's been seen let's face it and it's one hour real time of writing
and voice over so that we're compressing that's usually a couple days for me and also
yeah and also the editing can be you know i can um dylan
delegate some of the editing to you and then put a big load of energy into these
into the like the the essays the um the uh the industrial essay videos that we all love and like
of course that's what we all including me just want to crank one after another but i can't do that every week it's getting back to the magic of those first
six yeah and those first six of course that's six or eight months of work and that was the secret behind those is that i pre-loaded the
the kickstarter it was smart it all worked out but then when i'm rolling them out in real time i have six weeks
until you know of a head start so that i could i made even more of them i did running and i did sobriety and
gratitude and those were intense long things but first of all i've been writing them for a long time like in my head thinking about them
and second i had the you know i had the the placeholder of the of the bank of six right
so this will be um a we will be doing those once a week and then it's an experiment with a new genre this sort of like solo podcast
like i keep saying cutaway podcasts yeah it's because you're cutting a way to to yeah it's your story it's your
storytelling hour but it won't be an hour right you know i think like the influences for this for me what i was thinking about when i was coming up with
how to pitch this to you is it's orson welles 1955 bbc special
called sketchbook have you seen it no okay this is required viewing for everybody out there too okay
i mean it feels like a it's revolutionary in its simplicity now and this was broadcast in 1955.
and what it is is these i'm sorry did you say it was radio it's a bbc it's it was a television okay yeah and it's just him staring down the
barrel of the lens telling stories and there's six five or six episodes and each is a concentrated topic so episode
one is the early years and he's just going through what it was like to be on the radio and get citizen kane made did
he talk about the ambulance no no orson welles he had a job he was very successful right out of the gate he had
a job where he was producing um othello i think in harlem and then he had a radio job
in midtown and he didn't have enough time to get from the radio job to harlem for rehearsals
so he hired an ambulance which was totally legal and he just they ran the sirens and he would just drive through traffic and that's why he made citizen king
wow but anyway you know there's these other topics too there's one on the police and magicians and bull fighting and then one
of those films it's all true which is like one of the ones that was tortured and never got made in the studio there's clips of it that are fantastic
but he's just talking through all of this and the cutaways are just images from his sketchbook oh it's called sketchbook yeah and he
just uses it he said this is a prop this is what we call a prop in the theater and we all have props in real life and don't so we're just gonna don't be
intimidated that this is gonna be an art show because i show you a picture of my drawing and then he's just talking right through the lens and it's unbelievably
compelling second influence bob dylan's nobel prize lecture oh it's so good so good i've
listened to all quiet on the western front eastern easy as hell
never read another war book after that yeah but you know that's 20 minutes and an unbelievable insight yeah i mean in
terms of the music he's talking about and the books and that's i mean that fits unbelievably well with what you're doing
i mean one of them the most requested questions or topics in the live stream was for a reading list
yeah and we've put it in the description by the way so if you want to check out any of the books yeah there's more sense coming into his pocket so he can pay me
yes that's right because he's i'm you know don't call don't tell the labor board but he's barely making enough money for
like hot dogs you know but what that is in the podcast format is the books that have changed my life yeah and just talk about three of them when you read them
why yeah you know so that sets itself up and then the other influence would be fdr's fireside chats
okay i'm not really familiar with those but that's him on the radio sort of talking about what's going on with the war yeah okay and it's just
like a way i mean the parallel is that it's an open dialogue with your audience that's filling time between these larger
essays but it's incredibly compelling storytelling okay and that gets around the whole expectation that a podcast
would be with guests and other and we don't want to go through any of that right to be completely focused on the story you're telling yeah broken up in a
normal three-act structure but it's more off the top of your head it's it's less of a lift to get to the
recording booth you know yeah because with the podcast there's for me my favorite there's like three favorite
paradigms for the podcast for me there's um the super researched like mystery story
there's one about th there's one called uh the dropout about elizabeth holmes there's one that this
it's so incredible um called [ __ ] town did you listen to this one yeah about the kid in alabama he's a genius i saw
the show live the guy did a tour really and yeah and so those are like the like they're almost like a big thick hard to write
book there's that genre then there's um two guys talking mark maron or
joe rogan which was uh five minutes before we listened to um we we listened uh we started this i
was listening to um chris pappas and uh tim dillon on chris pappas's and then there's
the solo podcast which is like bill burr or um mostly tim dillon he has a guy with him
his producer ben but it's mostly him just talking sometimes he has a guest a guest and from my point of view the
solo guys i prefer when they don't have a guest i guess a long way of me from of
me saying that but yeah with the solo guys like i prefer when they don't have a guest and then i
love it when they're a guest on someone's show but we do the peer discussions once a month so that takes care of that yeah and these are simple
because it's just the gopro and then i think we're finally getting our setup right it took me an hour to do this there's gels on the window because the
gopro would expose to the windows and it would get dark and then i'd have to end the color temperature or the auto white balance
this is when the sun was shining and then as soon as we sat down the sun's behind a cloud so who knows recording in darkness it's like the fourth cloudy day
of 2023 in los angeles or 2022. um okay so another big thing i want to talk about yeah is so in my mind
is like as the patreon grows in terms of people and in terms of money
in relation to the youtube i'm gonna feed the patreon more like there's going to be more
um tears and then i have like a direction i kind of want it to go in
in errors in this and this one thing i keep coming back to is this idea of the zine
film school or storytelling school i don't really know what the kind the name of the school is but should be something
easy to remember and like gets right to the point and my idea for the structure of it
is that so i'm gonna do it every time i get another thousand
subs uh patrons a zine comes out in pdf form and we'll do a video of how
to take the pdf print it out on you know two sides and then from the pdf
like staple it together and fold it and then you have the zine um so every
thousand new subscribers a new zine edition i mean not the moment that
but you know so after you get a thousand between one thousand and two thousand in that time period put out like the
first three volumes the zine comes out no one volume one comes out yeah right and then between 1000 and 2000 i'm
making volume 2 and then at 2 000 if i'm done at the same time one
we erase we remove it from the from the from the pope from from patreon
so if you didn't download the pdf or if you come late you only got the bootleg early you if you came early you can get the whole set if you came early and you
stick out through the whole thing obviously people can share it and blah blah blah um and so i was thinking last night i
stayed up late last night which is 9 30 because isabelle and i were like brainstorming and i'm like no no this is an hour of work so this isn't this is
what i'd be doing tomorrow morning so i can just sleep in i just borrow it and so i get to sleep till 4 30 or whatever um
and so i was thinking like the first episode or the first zine is called savoir faire do you know what that expression means
it's you don't hear it anymore and when i tell you what it means you'll understand why you don't hear it anymore savoir faire is a term that means the
ability to know how to act in social settings oh well yeah it's like you have that like you know how to behave
and i would love to and i think that's the like that's the uh 10 bullets is sort of about subway fare in a way at work it's like this is
how you should conduct yourself at a job but savoia faire you know i i wrote like
and then you know each scene has like a reading list and it's all contributing to you being this you being
a storyteller are you you know this is or my experience with what i needed to know in order to continue to develop as
a student i think it's filmmaking but it's tied to everything else you're doing too but because filmmaking is how it's packaged or how it is
it's the gallery that we're putting all this work up in yeah i mean i ran into the same issue because what i am is a writer who is by necessity had to make
films it's the smartest move to if you're a writer make films yeah yeah it's a purely a technical i mean i enjoy the process to a certain degree and i
appreciate the extra vocabulary you have with a new medium of cinematography and editing
but it is just to get the writing on a platform where people are going to say oh that's right yeah yeah i think for me
too yeah i think me too but i did it it was a different it was just too lazy to to and to
chicken [ __ ] to just be a writer or maybe just to give myself the benefit of the doubt maybe just too practical well that's just a writer because good
luck right you know and if you're looking to reach people and have an impact um i mean
yeah yeah i mean is tarantino a writer he's a writer first yeah i think how many people are reading that
novelization of the of the name everyone i know that's read it has told me to read it yeah it's pretty good not too bad but we know
about him and his ability to write through the movies he's made but the you know the the read on him always was that was a
fantastic script yeah and that was what was remarkable yeah i think with what we're doing on youtube that's certainly
certainly the impetus of of why it is packaged in film or video which is this is a document that existed
on the page but i know only an x number of people are going to find it if it's confined to this page forever
and to break outside of that you find a way to package it and and put it in a medium that is that is the medium of the day um which is
filmmaking and which is now youtube doing it on youtube yeah what about your script the screen my movie script
i'll give it to i'll give you one i think there's one in there there's like a recent one in there that i can give you although i might have just brought
them all to storage i can send you a pdf whatever um you mean like about making it like that
motivation yeah the motivation just don't want to [ __ ] do it unless i can do it with my i almost just wanna be a hundred percent
um finance i wanna finance it a hundred percent myself and then
i i don't wanna be i want to also not need to have a return on it at all and it's kind of like
um vincent gallo like he has a feature film that no one's seen except josh safty it's on a 35 millimeter print and if you
want to see it you can go to his house and have him show it to you yeah the one print
but i don't want to do the politics and the rigmarole and the business and all that i just don't i'd rather make youtube videos and yeah you
know and and then you know that speaks to the time though yeah yeah it's pretty illuminating yeah i listened to um
who was it that was talking about it i've been listening to all the opinions about the will will smith slap to see
whose opinions sort of line up with mine and russell brand
said something that i also said as soon as i found out about it it was i was said oh this was a whole
now the oscars like i don't think people like really watch them to the extent that they used to watch them and they're too real now
like they used to be fun because they were it was like it was such a fantastical fantasy um it was just the
what was the phrase that russell brand used something like um uh like the
quintessential meaninglessness or something like this but it was super fun and it was glamorous so i have a dream
like with the will smith slap it's just it's too real it's too it's like you've you've you've it's it's
you're in the real phase now like this stuff is what we are now
consuming and entertained by is is you know real yeah and that fantasy stuff serves
it's its own purpose less of a seat at the table in the next 10 years than it even is holding on to
now and the slap it was just like now you're mixing the two worlds this whole thing is a is a fantasy
and you know even technically like the 4k it doesn't look as good
because it doesn't hide the makeup you can see the makeup you can see the like eighth inch gap in this joints on the
set piece you know um or the footprints of the shoes on the stage from when people you know yeah and
and then of and then yeah so i okay i can't remember where i was what
i was talking about with that i don't remember something about
i don't know something about writing and and uh it was all coming down off what the
scene project oh yeah yeah yeah and so the yeah the first one i think
will be savoir faire that's just how to behave first like when you're i wrote them down here
how to behave yeah at work socially with rich people and abroad and
by abroad i just mean when you're in a foreign country where the money is a good guest yeah yeah yeah
um and then you know each one will have like a reading list each zine will have a reading list
and and then another tier i was thinking about because i get this a lot was like and i don't know how much this
one the cost thing's very hard to negotiate in your mind but like a review tier where i review other
people's work yeah but the problem is you can't scale that no you can't have 20 000 people yeah and then even if you
have 1 000 no even if it's 20 000 dollars for three people it's still going to take away from the
massive number of people that you're reaching with all the other stuff so i was thinking there might be some kind of a way where in
people in that tier you have to to be chosen you have to send me a
like a postcard with your name on it and the link to the project and then that goes into like a big drum that we make yeah
or something and you know i just pick it at random and then that's how we do it because few
you know people aren't going to send the thing but then they remain and you're if you don't get picked it's still in there and there's still a chance yeah and in
the beginning there won't be that many people right you know it's just another i don't know
we're being careful not to add too much too fast yes yeah i mean yeah i feel like one thing per
quarter yeah or something i think one thing that we hadn't talked about yet but i had penciled in was access to the
archive of videos without directors commentary oh right i have them they're up on
yeah they i have them but they're up on vimeo or not but not all of them and they're up on youtube but they're not they're all private right so here's what i'm
thinking okay we do some sort of small fee yeah i was thinking like 299. okay and i i don't know if it fits through
patreon or if this is a youtube membership and what we would do is just grant acc grant access exclusive access to the
archive and they're all there because they're all on youtube but unless you're paying the 299 you don't see them and
technically how does that work technically they go into a playlist called members only oh okay and and then that playlist you only need the one link
yeah it's all there it's and they just look like normal youtube videos yeah but it won't let you in and then a part of that so there's incentive for the patreon so is that
private or yeah it's unlisted for that it's its own thing it's members only so it's technically private viewing and each member has
their own access code they don't have to put it in it's automatic okay how do we how does that work a thousand people well it's then it's
however much three dollars times a thousand is youtube takes a pretty healthy cut though oh this would be through youtube and i think patreon but then the way
that we would make this work for patrons too if they wanted access to that because they have access to the director's commentary yeah
but we would we would add badges and emblems to youtube that they can use in the q and a's and that's like your little
hand drawings that we can downsize into little custom images and those go on the main videos and on your live streams and that that will
help you distinguish who's patrons and who's normal youtubers people can just fake it no they can't why not because
you only get access to those images if you're paying the two dollar fee to be a member you have to show me how all that works
yeah but yeah these sound like because this is like a workload that you know i would go through and get all the images and redo descriptions but the archives
so it's the little like avatar next to their name yeah and so why wouldn't they just oh oh they're individual individual
unique yeah and what that does is when you go to the youtube comments you can see oh they're paying yeah and it's it's effectively
the patreon comment system which comes out what about super chat yeah and that's part of that too but this would all be because the live streams are
private to our patrons the super chat doesn't work because that needs to be public yeah yeah but there's a world where we can play around with
that too yeah but i think for a smaller fee than what we're charging on the patreon to have access to the archive and something that
distinguishes you in the youtube comments i think would be a great a great addition um
we have little swiss army man icons and pens and super eight movie viewers so there's some iconography
yeah and then those are the like that's the little signal for me to understand the flag over there on our team yeah i
mean that's a good idea that's a good idea but the to me keeping it all jungle jump jump jump unless i have like some kind
of assistant with a clipboard who's like at two you have to do this like this stuff can get really crazy for me
you know out of hand but if it's just make this project make this project make this project i can handle i think we can get there i can handle that
yeah i think that's in the cards um yeah oh we're at 45 minutes um anything else what else do you got
what is the interest for a podcast from the audience i think to hear back within the patrons yeah they like the
audio only yeah that's the difference between audio only and rss it's the same thing okay because i feel like i made one that was audio only that was like
its own post uh if you set up the rss feed correctly we'll see when we upload this if it goes
to the rss feed okay so we upload this yep it'll be a video and its own private audio
and so we don't have to export an audio file and upload it i will yeah oh you will okay because i did that for one and
that's an rss feed yeah okay and and what what is an rss well because for the for the patrons
the rss feed is just shared with them so they can add it to their podcast player of choice oh because you can't type in
pure discussion spirited man because from private spotify or whatever exactly but you can export the rss feed okay and
open it in spotify or wherever you listen okay and it worked i did it for the last one so let's see okay and there's a technical reason why we
don't do it for the live chat yeah and that's because that's an arc we don't have that it's archived on youtube we don't record it onto any device we don't
have the data i mean yes we could do it like you can do anything premium audio show is somewhere down the
pipeline yeah and i think that will take aren't you saying that like um colin and samir it's like mostly people
it's the video it's all videos watched the videos and that the podcast it's this audio export of the of the video
extensively but i think you know it it's it's going to depend on the podcaster and going to depend on the quality of the video
whether where you would choose to listen and the demographic of the people listening i don't know it's actually it's a
youtube audience though 15 to 35. but how many more people are you gonna have the chance to reach with a podcast yeah i would think a lot more and i would
think a lot more outside of the demographics that are on youtube that just want to throw you in their ears and have you tell them a story
where's this i want to like i'm trying to think how i go from because basically i discover everything on youtube
and then i branch i listen to podcasts because on apple whatever it's called apple podcast or whatever because in the canyon on my run that i
don't have signal i can't listen to if it was on youtube i'd just listen to it on youtube but in the canyon on my run
i can download the podcasts and then that's why i listen to podcasts and then some things are just podcast only but to
me like the most useful thing is youtube yeah it's the discovery platform for everything that's why podcasting on youtube has become such a its own thing
i mean even with clips channels that are doing more views than the actual podcast downloads themselves and it's just because the podcast
platforms don't have discovery tools it's powerful oh that's another thing we can do is clips but it has to be a separate yeah it could but um you know
that was the idea if it was going to be an hour but i honestly think these have like 14 20 minutes quick concise okay it takes
care of the clips thing itself yeah and this will all live on this on the van nystat channel so we don't want to yeah so we want to
make sure we don't poison the channel yeah and that's why taking temperature tests this'll this pure discussion will do it
at the the time you guys are listening to this or watching this there will be polls on both youtube and patreon about the
interest yeah and then uh we'll leave a section where you can comment any topics you'd like to hear discussed or or see
on the show and then we'll just see is there with the audience that's here already is that something they want i mean as part of the audience myself that's
exactly what i want especially if the explanation for why this new show exists is to give you the time
and resources to make a larger essay every month i should also mention that braxton is a
patron um okay well that's good that's 49 minutes let's just that's right is there anything we need to cover all right so should just kill it kill it all right
People Referenced
Braxton Haugen, Colin and Samir, Bob Dylan, Patti Smith, Nick Cave